True IBO Stories

Steve & Liz,

The way you guys are committed to the business inspires others to do so as well. Your story is humbling and encouraging. I can't wait until you guys are Crown Ambassadors! You not only talk the 'biz' you live it and this is why you are going all the way to the top. You guys rock - Keeping the faith!

I have to say that I'm a little disappointed by this first post. Years ago Rich De Vos had quite a bit to say about IBOs (then distributors) calling other people losers, and he was not impressed. Yet here we have our very first "true IBO story" spreading the very meme Rich De Vos spoke against. While there are undoubtedly some complainers and whiners on the 'net that don't deserve much respect, most of the folk who have complained have done so out after some real experience that soured them against our business. As Rich said in his tape to directs back in the 80s - "You do not decide who’s a winner or a loser." Steve, Liz, while I wish you all success in the pursuit of your dreams, please remember in that pursuit that you contribute to the image and reputation of all IBOs. Branding those who disagree with us as "broke" and "losers" is not, in my opinion, helpful.

I would recommend giving feedback to folk who submit stories and letting "them" make changes if you think what they are saying does not reflect the principles the company founders promote. That kills two birds with one stone - it educates the IBOs and it makes for better stories. When it's the kind of stuff that we've been fighting to get rid of, it doesn't enhance the story, it distracts from their story.

I prefer not to see edited letters. What would be the difference between removing such statements and lying?

You offered Opportunity Zone readers an unadulterated view of what many IBO's are taught by their upline.

Editor's note: The only editing we've done so far is for length. We would also omit personal attacks and inappropriate language.

 Regards,

 Nick

 

There is a difference between a person that politely says, "No thanks" to our business or the products, and one that is ugly (or should I say, "Not nice at all" about it. I have had both.

Once, when I worked at a credit card center for a major corporation, I prospected a fellow employee who had expressed his frustrations to me about his job. Another employee found out about it and was very vocal about what he thought of the company (then Amway), what he thought of everybody that was in it and doing it, and he spewed a large amount of negative around the company. It ruined it for me to prospect most everybody that I came in contact with in three different departments. That was about 15 years ago.

I saw him about six months ago in downtown Des Moines. He raced up to me acting like he was glad to see me after so long. I thought, "Hey, I'll be nice to the guy. He's probably forgotten all about what he said." He even asked me, "Are you still in that business you were in when you worked at the credit card center?" I said yes. He said, "Oh, man, that's great. I would like to know more about it." Even though I was surprised and somewhat apprehensive, I set the appointment. Of course, he was not at home when I got there. I called later to verify. He answered the phone and when I said who I was, he hung up. He has never changed. Is he a jerk? I'm not going to say because he can do anything he wants. I just know that what he did re-affirmed to me that I am doing the right thing.

Please don't edit the stories!  I want to hear what has to be said in its full glory... in the IBO's own words, unedited.  It's the "spirit of transparency and openness" that draws me, and if the stories are edited, it would retract from said "openness."

Don't edit the stories.  Allow the IBOs to express what they feel and what they are taught.  Then let potential prospects decide what is right for themselves.

The same is true with ibofb's suggestion to allow them to change their stories, it becomes a lie. If you clean up the stories yourself or ask the IBO to clean them up, you are changing what happened, so it really isn't their story any more, is it? Why not just make up the IBO names and the stories?

Good job Nick for getting the ball rolling.

I can't imagine that this IBO came into Quixtar thinking "I can't listen to my friends or wife about launching a new business". These thoughts are programmed into the minds of IBOs by Quixtar leaders. The condemnation of his wife's opinion is what's really sad to me.

I don't have a problem being called an online loser, because I know the truth. My Amway/Quixtar upline taught me how to buy CDs and go to meetings. Once I left Quixtar, I earned a six-figure income in the Network Marketing industry within 2 years. Building a profitable Quixtar business could be done (with a lot of work) but for the most part, the training in BWW, WWDB, Team, Yager and LTD doesn't seem to focus on building profit for the new IBOs.

Editor's note: This comment was edited to comply with the Opportunity Zone's comments policy. 

 

I think that the enteries should not be edited. The story is inspiring and truthful. I have been taught by my upline to keep what I want and to toss the rest at seminars. The Quixtar IBOs' are vastly diverse and we do not have to all think the same way. Thanks for allowing me to place my opinion.

That is actually an excellent question Nick.  Personally for the most part I would like to see the stories go up with as little editing as possible, otherwise they just become stories that have been through the spin cycle first.  But at the same time you have a delicate balance to maintain.  Your IBOs are your image, plain and simple.  What they do, how they behave, the things they say will all get credited to Quixtar/Amway.  

I think stories should be posted as is, and if the stories contain anything that is not in line with the corporation's views you should enter an editor's note saying just that, kind of like you did with Tex's comment above.  Basically telling the readers that while you are posting the story, the corporation does not share the author's view/action/statement that is questionable in the story.

If you were real IBO's, you wouldn't be wasting your time posting messages. You would be showing the plan just like your boss(upline)tells you. Email me back when you make it to Diamond or you go completely broke. Let me guess which one will be first.

I have been in Quixtar for some time now, it is not a big shock to me that they are changing the name back to Amway.  

I was not shocked over the fact that they also kept the money and bonus at the top levels either, though

disappointed for the many who continue to struggle and support their uplines standard of living.

They are also putting 60 million dollars and free shipping with the new Amway 2.0. Thats just because they are debt free and have so much extra money to put aside because they are merging. IBO's won't go broke, they have to eat and drink anyway. By the way, the whole world unless you have 10 million in the bank... is broke and working in a pyramid. My guess is.... whoever has all the time in the world to post things on here is a gaming freak who is broke. And I have been in the business for about a half year and not making anything at all. Does it matter.... no. If your successful at your job, your business, your investing, and/or whatever it is that you do, congradulations. Thats good that your making it. If only this world would understand uplifting people no matter what the business, no matter what the cause, what the event. If this world understood that it would be a better place. Who gives a rip about what opinions people have... JUST DO IT!

How on Earth does Quixtar/Amway stay in business?  The products are of poor quality and are very pricey.

I was shaking from all the caffeine from the XS drink!  As any pyramid scheme, the top people in the pyramid DO make a lot of money, but those on the bottom go broke.  All the CDs/Tapes are basically the same (what is your dream?) and don't help in creating a business.  Thankfully I got out after only a month in the so-called business and didn't lose much.  I hope that all of you get your freedom back soon as well!

Editor's Note Posted by Anna Bryce:

John,

Your opinions and personal experience regarding the business opportunity and the products are your own and you're free to share them here on Ada-tudes where we welcome all viewpoints, even those that are negative of Quixtar.

I must clarify, however, that this business opportunity is most definitely not a pyramid scheme. All pyramids are illegal and the following four key elements make the Quixtar Plan legal and a model of integrity:

1. Sales-based compensation. Compensation in the Quixtar Plan is based on sales of products and services to consumers. An IBO who sponsors other IBOs earns income based on his own sales and on sales made by the IBOs he sponsors. IBOs cannot receive income based on sales by downline IBOs without meeting specified retail selling requirements each month.

2. No “headhunting fee.” An IBO is never compensated for merely sponsoring another IBO.

3. No purchase requirements. There are absolutely no minimum product purchases that an IBO must make. 

4. Buyback rights. If an IBO wishes to discontinue his business, any currently marketable and unused inventory will be bought back, upon request, by either the sponsoring IBO or Quixtar.

This plan has been cited in many Federal and State courts and agencies as the legal and viable way to operate a business with a tiered compensation plan.

I have been in Quixtar for about one month now and have to say I am rather disappointed that Alticor is changing the name back to Amway. I believe that changing the name back to Amway will bring back all the negativity associated with the name. Young IBO prospects were not around during the Amway "era" and so haven't been blinded by all the negativity surrounding the name. By bringing back the name we are making it that much more difficult to sign up new IBO's because they've heard all the bad things about Amway (whether true or not!).

Quixtar is a good name! Its sharp and easy to remember, there's nothing wrong with the name Quixtar and while it isn't as well-known as Amway its probably a good thing since we don't have to worry about that gawdawful question: "Its not Amway, is it?"

It sounds like the business support materials don't meet these critieria.

Maybe that "business" is an illegal pyramid?

JC,

Please explain. The BSM don't violate these requirements.

Sale of BSM is only to IBOs.  Closed market.  No retail customers.

We'll see, I believe there is a pending lawsuit over the issue.

Joecool,

There is almost always a lawsuit over the issue. I was told by the rules department the retail customers for tools are the IBO's, and this is why the tools are not considered an illegal pyramid. When TIF tried to pay everyone, an illegal pyramid was being created, and that is why about 20 Diamonds were let go. In fact, if you look at it from a tool volume perspective, there are MANY more tool customers than from the Amway products.

I believe the globilization of both companies, Amway and Quixtar into one name is only that significant to organizations that have been deceptive in their sponsoring and training processess. Our organization ALWAYS explained the affiliation of companies during our meetings.  So if you have a real issue with it, maybe you should think about your own character issues.  Quixtar has always been affiliated with Amway from day one and I can't believe all the people who tried to deny that.  In fact most of the big pins who are opposed actually went Diamond in AMWAY. What about loyalty there?  I do prefer the Quixtar name because it sounds cool but the company has been around for 50 years I am confident they have valid reasons and I will personally get behind what they do.

Hi there everyone, i have been in the business now for over two months, i

had found that like in real life there are many personalities among the

Ibo`s, many lines in the business, every one of them directed by a high

sitting diamond ( nothing again that, this person has earned this right )

who choose wich of the BSM if the best for his people, althought in the

basics everything is the same, in the practical real life everybody

employs technics learned from his sponsor who on his time did learn from somebody higher and so on, i do thanks god everyday for few reason, first for being alive, second for having found this opportunity call Quixtar, the

reason people do fail in this business is because they lack vision to see

what they can achieve with this life opportunity, second they do not have perseverance (if you want to get rich by tomorrow go work by the Cali

cartel) and third, they don`t believe in themself to be a winner, i have

never been before in a MLM, never in sales in my life, i`m 49 years old and a inmigrant like you can see by my writing and so what ? my first month i ended after 19 days at a 9% level receiving a check of $147.00, the second  finished at 12% level receiving a check for $540, guest how much is gonna be my third ? and my fourth ? and after a year ? get real with your life, if you keep watching soap operas everynight in your coach that`s what you gonna get later in life, a old piece of coach in a home for older people.

That's messed up... "my broke friends". Is money all you IBOs care about??? Why is it IBOs are taught to judge other people based on how much money they make? That's so messed up.

I do believe if you have the time and desire to be a marketing/salesperson with your IBO you can make money. I believe, also, that it takes a lot of effort. My fiance and I were approached, went to a meeting and came up with a long list of reasons (after research on the good and bad sides) for why this was not what we wanted to do. I do not judge those that do it and expect that we are not judged either.

I think most important, is you have to have passion for what you are doing and be working for the God's greater good. This business is not for everyone. It was not for us. That does not make us losers or unintelligent.

Nicely put, Casey. You and your fiancee did your homework and decided this business wasn't for you. It's not for everyone. And that's cool with us.

Nick